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August 04, 2008, at 04:58 AM EST by Rathnasree -
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What did seem possible, was to make independent measurements of the Altitude and Azimuth of Venus and the Sun, with the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas. These measurements became possible only after we made measurements of the entire dimensions of the instruments and used a tape measure to determine shadow lengths and so on, as the markings were missing in many places.

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What did seem possible, was to make independent measurements of the Altitude and Azimuth of Venus and the Sun, with the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas. These observations became possible only after we made measurements of the entire dimensions of the instruments and used a tape measure to determine shadow lengths and so on, as the markings were missing in many places.

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What was really thrilling, was that, once we got the hang of these measurments, it was easy to convey the method of observations to all the visitors to the observatory, on the 29th of March, 2004. Not just that, we asked the visitors to make their own measurements and then showed them the theoretical values of Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun, that they were measuring with the Ram Yantra. They were really thrilled when they saw how close their measured values were, to the theoretical values.

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What was really thrilling, was that, once we got the hang of these measurments, it was easy to convey the method of observations to all the visitors to the observatory, on the 29th of March, 2004.

http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/Ram%20Yantra%20gnomon%20shadow%20again.jpg

Not just that, we asked the visitors to make their own measurements and then showed them the theoretical values of Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun, that they were measuring with the Ram Yantra. They were really thrilled when they saw how close their measured values were, to the theoretical values.

August 04, 2008, at 04:56 AM EST by Rathnasree -
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Venus Elongation measurements using the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas, of the Jantar Mantar Observatory, Delhi

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Venus Elongation measurements using the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas, of the Jantar Mantar Observatory, Delhi

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August 04, 2008, at 04:55 AM EST by Rathnasree -
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What did seem possible, was to make independent measurements of the Altitude and Azimuth of Venus and the Sun, with the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas. These measurements became possible only after we made measurements of the entire dimensions of the instruments and used a tape measure to determine shadow lengths and so on, as the markings were missing in many places. What was really thrilling, was that, once we got the hang of these measurments, it was easy to convey the method of observations to all the visitors to the observatory, on the 29th of March, 2004. Not just that, we asked the visitors to make their own measurements and then showed them the theoretical values of Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun, that they were measuring with the Ram Yantra. They were really thrilled when they saw how close their measured values were, to the theoretical values.

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What did seem possible, was to make independent measurements of the Altitude and Azimuth of Venus and the Sun, with the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas. These measurements became possible only after we made measurements of the entire dimensions of the instruments and used a tape measure to determine shadow lengths and so on, as the markings were missing in many places.

http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/Jayaprakas%20stretching%20crosswires.jpg

What was really thrilling, was that, once we got the hang of these measurments, it was easy to convey the method of observations to all the visitors to the observatory, on the 29th of March, 2004. Not just that, we asked the visitors to make their own measurements and then showed them the theoretical values of Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun, that they were measuring with the Ram Yantra. They were really thrilled when they saw how close their measured values were, to the theoretical values.

http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/Jayaprakas%20Calibrations.jpg

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This accuracy, was perhaps not the kind of precision required for serious astronomical observations. But, it was a beginning towards a public appreciation of the actual usage of the instruments. A report of all the observations done on that day (10 observations of the Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun using the Ram Yantra, 5 observations of night time Altitude and Azimuth measurements of stars and planets and 3 observations of the Altitude Azimuth of the Sun using the Jay Prakas) were reported in November 2004 issue of Resonance (A Science Education Journal published by the Indian Academy of Sciences), June 2004 issue of Nojum, an Iranian Journal of Astronomy and on a French website (Venus2004.org a project of Futura-Sciences) on Transit of Venus Activities. The observers at this stage included most of the staff of Nehru Planetarium, New Delhi N. Rathnasree, Sanath Kumar, O.P.Gupta, M.K.Jain, K.Balachandran, Rajesh Harsh, R.K. Chhikara, Hukamchandra and Naresh Kumar. Two members of the Amamteur Astronomers Association, New Delhi Vikrant Narang and Kumar Gaurav assisted in the evening observations of Venus.

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This accuracy, was perhaps not the kind of precision required for serious astronomical observations. But, it was a beginning towards a public appreciation of the actual usage of the instruments. A report of all the observations done on that day (10 observations of the Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun using the Ram Yantra, 5 observations of night time Altitude and Azimuth measurements of stars and planets and 3 observations of the Altitude Azimuth of the Sun using the Jay Prakas) appeared in the November 2004 issue of Resonance, June 2004 issue of Nojum, an Iranian Journal of Astronomy and on a French website (Venus2004.org a project of Futura-Sciences) on Transit of Venus Activities.

The observers at this stage included most of the staff of Nehru Planetarium, New Delhi N. Rathnasree, Sanath Kumar, O.P.Gupta, M.K.Jain, K.Balachandran, Rajesh Harsh, R.K. Chhikara, Hukamchandra and Naresh Kumar. Two members of the Amamteur Astronomers Association, New Delhi Vikrant Narang and Kumar Gaurav of the Amateur Astronomers Association, Delhi, assisted in the evening observations of Venus.

August 04, 2008, at 04:52 AM EST by Rathnasree -
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This led to the origin of the idea at the Nehru Planetarium, New Delhi, that a very good way of making students appreciate historical methods of Astronomy would be to help them take observations of the maximum elongation of Venus using some of the instruments at the Jantar Mantar Observatories.

The team from the Nehru Planetarium spent several weeks during March 2004, at the Jantar Mantar Observatory of Delhi, looking into possibilities of measuring the elongation of Venus with the Jay Prakas. However, the absence of markings on the Jay Prakas was a major challenge to overcome in its usage for elongation measurement, although some limited usage of the Jay Prakas was possible for Altitude and Azimuth measurement. It was also found that observations of Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun and Venus were possible using the Rama Yantra, even if the markings were absent, as the entire dimensions of the instrument could be measured and measurements could be taken of the position of shadows (or celestial objects in the night by stationing oneself inside the instrument), using measuring tape. These values could then be converted into information regarding the elongation of Venus.

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This led to the origin of the idea at the Nehru Planetarium, New Delhi, that a very good way of making students appreciate historical methods of Astronomy would be to help them take observations of the maximum elongation of Venus using some of the instruments at the Jantar Mantar Observatories. There is no evidence that the Jantar Mantar observatory was used for any such measurements during the 18th or the 19th century transits of Venus, but, it should have been!

The team from the Nehru Planetarium spent several weeks during March 2004, at the Jantar Mantar Observatory of Delhi, looking into possibilities of measuring the elongation of Venus with the Jay Prakas.

Unfortunately, most of the markings on these instruments were missing and therefore the required calibration was difficult for some measurements.

What did seem possible, was to make independent measurements of the Altitude and Azimuth of Venus and the Sun, with the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas. These measurements became possible only after we made measurements of the entire dimensions of the instruments and used a tape measure to determine shadow lengths and so on, as the markings were missing in many places. What was really thrilling, was that, once we got the hang of these measurments, it was easy to convey the method of observations to all the visitors to the observatory, on the 29th of March, 2004. Not just that, we asked the visitors to make their own measurements and then showed them the theoretical values of Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun, that they were measuring with the Ram Yantra. They were really thrilled when they saw how close their measured values were, to the theoretical values.

The absence of markings on the Jay Prakas was a major challenge to overcome in its usage for elongation measurement, although some limited usage of the Jay Prakas was possible for Altitude and Azimuth measurement. It was also found that observations of Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun and Venus were possible using the Rama Yantra, even if the markings were absent, as the entire dimensions of the instrument could be measured and measurements could be taken of the position of shadows (or celestial objects in the night by stationing oneself inside the instrument), using measuring tape. These values could then be converted into information regarding the elongation of Venus.

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During March 2004, we were trying out various simple methods of observing the elongation of Venus, as a part of educational activities related to the Transit of Venus.

It seemed to us, that a measurement of the maximum elongation of Venus using the Jantar Mantar positional astronomy instruments, by interested students, would be very thrilling.

We set out to learn the actual usage of these instruments, for such measurements. Unfortunately, most of the markings on these instruments were missing and therefore the required calibration was difficult for some measurements.

What did seem possible, was to make independent measurements of the Altitude and Azimuth of Venus and the Sun, with the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas. These measurements became possible only after we made measurements of the entire dimensions of the instruments and used a tape measure to determine shadow lengths and so on, as the markings were missing in many places. What was really thrilling, was that, once we got the hang of these measurments, it was easy to convey the method of observations to all the visitors to the observatory, on the 29th of March, 2004. Not just that, we asked the visitors to make their own measurements and then showed them the theoretical values of Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun, that they were measuring with the Ram Yantra. They were really thrilled when they saw how close their measured values were, to the theoretical values.

August 04, 2008, at 04:48 AM EST by Rathnasree -
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In 2004, there was considerable world wide excitement with the occurrence of the Transit of Venus on the 8th of June, that year. The last transit of Venus had been witnessed in 1882 and therefore, this was a historic event in which educators all over the world were involved in helping students appreciate historical measurements of the Earth Sun distance using occurrences of transits of Venus in the past.

Related to the Transit of Venus observations was a need to measure the maximum elongation (angular distance) of Venus from the Sun that was to occur towards the end of March 2004. This was a very well known quantity, but, an appreciation of historical observations was being given to students the world over, using instruments similar to what would have been used by explorers participating in the Transit of Venus observations in the 19th and 18th century.

This led to the origin of the idea at the Nehru Planetarium, New Delhi, that a very good way of making students appreciate historical methods of Astronomy would be to help them take observations of the maximum elongation of Venus using some of the instruments at the Jantar Mantar Observatories.

The team from the Nehru Planetarium spent several weeks during March 2004, at the Jantar Mantar Observatory of Delhi, looking into possibilities of measuring the elongation of Venus with the Jay Prakas. However, the absence of markings on the Jay Prakas was a major challenge to overcome in its usage for elongation measurement, although some limited usage of the Jay Prakas was possible for Altitude and Azimuth measurement. It was also found that observations of Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun and Venus were possible using the Rama Yantra, even if the markings were absent, as the entire dimensions of the instrument could be measured and measurements could be taken of the position of shadows (or celestial objects in the night by stationing oneself inside the instrument), using measuring tape. These values could then be converted into information regarding the elongation of Venus.

Public observations for the measurement of maximum elongation of Venus were then organised on the 29th of March 2004, by the Nehru Planetarium, after obtaining permission from the Archeological Survey of India. Throughout the day, volunteers from the Planetarium were present at the Rama Yantra and the Jai Prakas, explaining the intricacies of their usage to the visitors. Interested visitors were then trained to take actual observations of the Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun using the Rama Yantra and the Jai Prakas. The values obtained by the visitors were compared with theoretical values, then and there, as the Planetarium team carried printouts of theoretical values of the Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun, for every minute on that day. Visitors were amazed and delighted when they found that their simple length measurements were yielding celestial data accurate within a degree or even less, in some cases. Refraction corrections were not applied for these readings.

This accuracy, was perhaps not the kind of precision required for serious astronomical observations. But, it was a beginning towards a public appreciation of the actual usage of the instruments. A report of all the observations done on that day (10 observations of the Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun using the Ram Yantra, 5 observations of night time Altitude and Azimuth measurements of stars and planets and 3 observations of the Altitude Azimuth of the Sun using the Jay Prakas) were reported in November 2004 issue of Resonance (A Science Education Journal published by the Indian Academy of Sciences), June 2004 issue of Nojum, an Iranian Journal of Astronomy and on a French website (Venus2004.org a project of Futura-Sciences) on Transit of Venus Activities. The observers at this stage included most of the staff of Nehru Planetarium, New Delhi N. Rathnasree, Sanath Kumar, O.P.Gupta, M.K.Jain, K.Balachandran, Rajesh Harsh, R.K. Chhikara, Hukamchandra and Naresh Kumar. Two members of the Amamteur Astronomers Association, New Delhi Vikrant Narang and Kumar Gaurav assisted in the evening observations of Venus.

August 04, 2008, at 04:47 AM EST by Rathnasree -
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The first usage of the Delhi Jantar Mantar instruments, for public astronomical observations, after the observatory fell into disuse, in the 1750s

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This was The first usage of the Delhi Jantar Mantar instruments, for public astronomical observations, after the observatory fell into disuse, in the 1750s

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The first usage of the Delhi Jantar Mantar instruments, for public astronomical observations, after the observatory fell into disuse, in the 1750s

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June 14, 2008, at 08:06 AM EST by Rathnasree -
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What did seem possible, was to make independent measurements of the Altitude and Azimuth of Venus and the Sun, with the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas. These measurements became possible only after we made measurements of the entire dimensions of the instruments and used a tape measure to determine shadow lengths and so on, as the markings were missing in many places. What was really thrilling, was that, once we got the hang of these measurments, it was easy to convey the method of observations to all the visitors to the observatory, on the 29th of March, 2004. Not just that, we asked the visitors to make their own measurements and then showed them the theoretical values of ALtitude? and Azimuth of the Sun, that they were measuring with the Ram Yantra. They were really thrilled when they saw how close their measured values were, to the theoretical values.

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What did seem possible, was to make independent measurements of the Altitude and Azimuth of Venus and the Sun, with the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas. These measurements became possible only after we made measurements of the entire dimensions of the instruments and used a tape measure to determine shadow lengths and so on, as the markings were missing in many places. What was really thrilling, was that, once we got the hang of these measurments, it was easy to convey the method of observations to all the visitors to the observatory, on the 29th of March, 2004. Not just that, we asked the visitors to make their own measurements and then showed them the theoretical values of Altitude and Azimuth of the Sun, that they were measuring with the Ram Yantra. They were really thrilled when they saw how close their measured values were, to the theoretical values.

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The first usage of the Jantar Mantar instruments, for public astronomical observations, after the observatory fell into disuse, in the 1750s

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The first usage of the Delhi Jantar Mantar instruments, for public astronomical observations, after the observatory fell into disuse, in the 1750s

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It seemed to us, that a measurement of the maximum elongation of Venus using the Jantar Mantar positional astronomy instruments, by inerested students, would be very thrilling.

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It seemed to us, that a measurement of the maximum elongation of Venus using the Jantar Mantar positional astronomy instruments, by interested students, would be very thrilling.

We set out to learn the actual usage of these instruments, for such measurements. Unfortunately, most of the markings on these instruments were missing and therefore the required calibration was difficult for some measurements.

What did seem possible, was to make independent measurements of the Altitude and Azimuth of Venus and the Sun, with the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas. These measurements became possible only after we made measurements of the entire dimensions of the instruments and used a tape measure to determine shadow lengths and so on, as the markings were missing in many places. What was really thrilling, was that, once we got the hang of these measurments, it was easy to convey the method of observations to all the visitors to the observatory, on the 29th of March, 2004. Not just that, we asked the visitors to make their own measurements and then showed them the theoretical values of ALtitude? and Azimuth of the Sun, that they were measuring with the Ram Yantra. They were really thrilled when they saw how close their measured values were, to the theoretical values.

The results of public observations conducted on the 29th of March 2004, appeared here

http://www.springerlink.com/content/p5848w2840343u88/

and here

http://www.venus2004.org/comprendre/d/dossier378-1.php?langue=2

They are also discussed here

http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/observations_at_jantar_mantar.htm

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The first usage of the Jantar Mantar instruments, for public astronomical observations, after the observatory fell into disuse, in the 1750s

    * Venus Elongation measurements using the Ram Yantra and the Jai Prakas of the Jantar Mantar Observatory, Delhi 

During March 2004, we were trying out various simple methods of observing the elongation of Venus, as a part of educational activities related to the Transit of Venus.

It seemed to us, that a measurement of the maximum elongation of Venus using the Jantar Mantar positional astronomy instruments, by inerested students, would be very thrilling.

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The first usage of the Jantar Mantar instruments, for public astronomical observations, after the observatory fell into disuse in the 1750s

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